bush credit
should bush get any credit for the death of ubl? sure. he did sorta lull ubl into a false sense of security. made him complacent. made it kinda easy for a competent president to succeed at the task. despite it being dauntingly hard. despite the political usefulness of a scary bogeyman out there, somewhere gonna getcha. despite being distracted by war spontaneously breaking out in an oil rich country. still, some will argue, see? torture paid off! hrm. seems really unlikely. seems like most of the useful reliable information came after we stopped torturing people. simply cause we could trust the information from the interrogated to not be made up by someone desperately trying to to say whatever the torturer wants to hear to make the torture stop. gafc.